Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

kk666 said:

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I've played this game but I didn't know this scene existed, in what chapter is this scene?

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Being a DIK episode 9 leaked scenes.

dartred said:

iirc, bad end for chapter 6. The "pool scene" bad end where you try to a gainer and go into a Coma. Wake up to Brenna and Cath pregnant and Ophelia giving birth to that... thing.

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Ahhh man no wonder I haven’t seen that scene before because I chose the good end

kevinzz said:

which chapter scene ?

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chap 6 "wrong choice"

Honestly I watch the netorare scene because of the potential revelations about the story we might garner from them.

Also because some of them make use of extremely clever chekhov's guns. Like, in the Catherine Robot Bad Ending, Hunter very specifically lets her ride his face telling her he's gona let her do something to him he never let her do before, which leads to his neck snapping due to her powerful thighs, which has been foreshadowed for chapters before. At the same time, it's also revelaed how Hunter faked his death in europe and was seeemingly being hunted down by the Interpol, among other things, which allows you to piece the pieces together for the overhall plot too.

Not watching the NTR ending doesn't let you see this, but to each their own.

FoolishFool0 said:

At the same time, it's also revelaed how Hunter faked his death in europe and was seeemingly being hunted down by the Interpol, among other things, which allows you to piece the pieces together for the overhall plot too.

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Good point. At first I dismissed that as just an extra-bizarre bad ending, but the death in the police records would've occurred way before Sterling's choice, which suggests it still happened regardless, and the only reason we don't know about it is there's been no communication with the police. Combine that with Hunter's reluctance to go to a hospital and his overall desire to stay "off the grid" and it seems he's in hiding and afraid of being found.

Because Hunter is the head of the shadow network lol

Skode said:

I think Drew's endgame is Sterling. He is clearly Bi (Hunter admitted he feared his son was gay with zero interest in women till he met Lucia's mom) and having been corrupted into the ways of seduction and getting who you want when you want by Hunter means he will not likely take kindly to anyone being off limits (namely Sterling). He is eluded to having seduced Sterling's father and he offers a very very different threat to the story than Hunter does who is basically cartoon bad guy whilst Drew is background schemer (something which has completely flummoxed Sterling as he has been tracking Drews movements but he has shown zero Hunter esc tendancies out in the open so far - his taking of Tef was predatory and scheming enough that Hunter would be proud but no one saw it coming, including Tef - everything Hunter does is basically telegraphed).

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I agree with sterling possibly being end game, but I don't think their bi. I think they are into dudes but are willing and able to seduce women. I feel like the only reason Drew slept with the dad's sister and mom was to make Hunter happy and conform to his expectations. Hunter found them sniffing panties and that's what started everything but, what if it wasn't out of sexual frustration but of gender envy or trying to trick themself into being aroused by women.

Man, they pack a lot of scenes into these mini games. I didn't expect to get anywhere near this much out of a ~250MB download.

FoolishFool0 said:

Honestly I watch the netorare scene because of the potential revelations about the story we might garner from them.

Also because some of them make use of extremely clever chekhov's guns. Like, in the Catherine Robot Bad Ending, Hunter very specifically lets her ride his face telling her he's gona let her do something to him he never let her do before, which leads to his neck snapping due to her powerful thighs, which has been foreshadowed for chapters before. At the same time, it's also revelaed how Hunter faked his death in europe and was seeemingly being hunted down by the Interpol, among other things, which allows you to piece the pieces together for the overhall plot too.

Not watching the NTR ending doesn't let you see this, but to each their own.

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While I personally don't watch them, at least not all of them, I agree that there is a whole armory of chekov's guns hidden there. My personal favorite being:


This said, fuck NTR.

How is one supposed to fix "air conditioning" I can't find a way to do it...

Pmailmxr said:

I agree with sterling possibly being end game, but I don't think their bi. I think they are into dudes but are willing and able to seduce women. I feel like the only reason Drew slept with the dad's sister and mom was to make Hunter happy and conform to his expectations. Hunter found them sniffing panties and that's what started everything but, what if it wasn't out of sexual frustration but of gender envy or trying to trick themself into being aroused by women.

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I need to know. What is your basis that Drew is into men? Because the only clue we have is that e-mail in the end of the chapter, which, as everything with Hunter, I don't trust. All relationships that have been mentioned up to that point that Drew had, were with women (even in the teasers for the new chapter, they bring a woman home).

Your example doesn't really cut it, since Hunter had already given up on Drew and expected him to turn out gay. If Drew really had gender envy, he'd be wearing the panties, or if it was trying to trick himself into being aroused by women, he wouldn't have been masturbating.

You have to remember who you're dealing with. Two unscrupulous individuals, one using drugs to achieve his goals, the other deception.

I mean, you could be right, but I wouldn't bank on it. If you do turn out correct, good on you, but if you're too convinced of your assumption and it turns out wrong, you might end up too disappointed. Point is, don't get too attached to your theory. I've seen too many fandoms turn toxic because the writer followed the original plan instead of a "clearly superior" fan theory. If the phrase "they should have done that" ever comes up, the reply is always "no, no they shouldn't have", because in the end, it's the writer who knows the true motivations of each character.

General Scorpion said:

How is one supposed to fix "air conditioning" I can't find a way to do it...

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You don't. You just suffer through it until it gets fixed. It's not one of those games where the MC has to do everything, from fixing the sink to bringing world peace.

SuddenReal said:

I need to know. What is your basis that Drew is into men? Because the only clue we have is that e-mail in the end of the chapter, which, as everything with Hunter, I don't trust. All relationships that have been mentioned up to that point that Drew had, were with women (even in the teasers for the new chapter, they bring a woman home).

Your example doesn't really cut it, since Hunter had already given up on Drew and expected him to turn out gay. If Drew really had gender envy, he'd be wearing the panties, or if it was trying to trick himself into being aroused by women, he wouldn't have been masturbating.

You have to remember who you're dealing with. Two unscrupulous individuals, one using drugs to achieve his goals, the other deception.

I mean, you could be right, but I wouldn't bank on it. If you do turn out correct, good on you, but if you're too convinced of your assumption and it turns out wrong, you might end up too disappointed. Point is, don't get too attached to your theory. I've seen too many fandoms turn toxic because the writer followed the original plan instead of a "clearly superior" fan theory. If the phrase "they should have done that" ever comes up, the reply is always "no, no they shouldn't have", because in the end, it's the writer who knows the true motivations of each character.

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Lol yeah, I admit my theory lost a lot of validity after the release of the teasers but to be faire I didn't see the teasers until after I had posted that. Although, I still stand by parts of it. For example, the panties, we know Drew claimed they were caught playing with the dad's sisters' dirty laundry, but we have no idea to what extent. Its Schrodinger's panties atm we don't know it was a gender envy thing, trying to deny their sexuality or just bog-standard horny masturbation until we see it, or the topic is further explored. So, I admit I could be wrong in regard to that point, but I still think there is more solid evidence of my theory.

The main ones being the fact Drew and Hunter stopped working together and the emails. I don't know why you mentioned hunter in regard to the emails because he's not related to them, but we saw that the dad and Drew had been in an affair with one another for years with messages and pictures for evidence showcasing their attraction to men. As for how Hunter backs up my theory, I don't believe for a second that Drews anatomy would have scared Hunter off as long as he got his beak wet so why did they split up and why apparently on not-so-great terms? It's because Drew preferred playing for a different team then Hunter. I can't think of a single reason other than that for them to split up unless Drew fell in love with someone or something like that and wanted to stop but I doubt it.

Although these are just theories and if I'm wrong I'm wrong no big deal. I'd just prefer this to the alternative of Drew being like Hunter because they are a far larger threat who I think is actually capable of ruining our harem if they wanted to. I'd especially like it if they were the ones who had been helping us behind the scenes especially if it's a situation where it's Drew getting revenge on Hunter for making them be someone they weren't.

Pmailmxr said:

I agree with sterling possibly being end game, but I don't think their bi. I think they are into dudes but are willing and able to seduce women. I feel like the only reason Drew slept with the dad's sister and mom was to make Hunter happy and conform to his expectations. Hunter found them sniffing panties and that's what started everything but, what if it wasn't out of sexual frustration but of gender envy or trying to trick themself into being aroused by women.

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I mean, while it's certainly possible to have sex with someone in spite of your sexual orientation, I think that Drew clearly likes sex with women based on several things: the journal describing the Drew/Keira/David's-mom threesome; the NTR scene with Drew/Tiff, Drew's offer to join in sex with Sterling/Tiff after acknowledging Sterling is straight, and the chapter 11 previews with Drew and a new girl. All of this seems like a lot of work if Drew wasn't attracted to women.

And Drew's interest in women's underwear may have something to do with wanting to be a woman, but the journal says he was caught playing with Keira's dirty laundry, which also implies a sexual fetish (similar to Kevin's).

I think the idea that Drew felt pressured to live up to Hunter's expectations is based mostly on the excuses Drew gave David (as recounted in the journal), but David also writes that he thought Drew wasn't telling him everything. Drew may have simply played the victim in order to avoid David's wrath. Compare Drew with Peyton (formerly Chad) who clearly was under pressure to be hyper-masculine, and yet Peyton never had sex with Tiff.

It's just as possible (maybe even more likely) that Drew isn't attracted to men, and only has sex (allegedly) with David in order to accomplish some goal. (Consider the phenomenon of straight men that act in gay porn, for the money.) A lot of people (including me) think Drew is bi, but if she isn't, I think from what we've seen that she's definitely into women.

Pmailmxr said:

The main ones being the fact Drew and Hunter stopped working together and the emails. I don't know why you mentioned hunter in regard to the emails because he's not related to them, but we saw that the dad and Drew had been in an affair with one another for years with messages and pictures for evidence showcasing their attraction to men. As for how Hunter backs up my theory, I don't believe for a second that Drews anatomy would have scared Hunter off as long as he got his beak wet so why did they split up and why apparently on not-so-great terms? It's because Drew preferred playing for a different team then Hunter. I can't think of a single reason other than that for them to split up unless Drew fell in love with someone or something like that and wanted to stop but I doubt it.

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Oh, Hunter's been interested in Ophelia for decades, and hates David because he stole Ophelia away. So, here's my theory, he convinces Drew to catfish David which will lead to a divorce so that Hunter can return to Ophelia to "comfort" her. As for Drew and Hunter falling out, their individual styles clash. As I said, Hunter uses drugs while Drew uses deception. And you can be a master of deception, you're still not going to get any if you're sitting next to monster of the Black Lagoon. So, it would make sense if Drew told their old man off for cramping their style and split, which Hunter didn't really take all that well (considering he's the Master who just got surpassed by his Apprentice, or as he would say it, the Alpha who got overtaken by the femboy).

I like these conversations about Drew. She is a new character, who we know very little about. But, it is fun to make thories with the limited information we have on her.

Firstly, I personally think Drew is bisexual. At least everything is pointing in that direction. We saw Drew have sex with women multiple times. Now, we know David had an affair with her.
Is it possible that she is forcing herself to have sex with women? Not likely. But, if it is the case, then it is a damn convincing facade she put on. In Chapter 10, it looked like she is enjoying every moment with Tiff.

Secondly, i am not convinced that Hunter forced his ways/teachings onto Drew. It wouldn't be suprising knowing what type of a person Hunter is. But, i think Drew is like Hunter. The "dio del sesso" genes are there. It just took a longer time to awaken them. Of course, when it happened Hunter was there to teach her.

While, i am at the Hunter and Drew topic. Did they part ways? I read it a few times in the thread. Well, i was under the impression that Hunter and Drew was doing business together, until David died. (It is possible i mixing things up and it is just Drew's business.) Then Hunter come to fulfill his dream to conquer Ophelia ... and the girls while he is at it. Eventually, he would succeed and Drew could enjoy them too. But, they didn't expect the MC and how he will be too much to handle alone. So, Hunter called Drew in for support.

All in all, Drew's part of the story i am most interested in at the moment.

Miliryan said:

I like these conversations about Drew. She is a new character, who we know very little about. But, it is fun to make thories with the limited information we have on her.

Firstly, I personally think Drew is bisexual. At least everything is pointing in that direction. We saw Drew have sex with women multiple times. Now, we know David had an affair with her.
Is it possible that she is forcing herself to have sex with women? Not likely. But, if it is the case, then it is a damn convincing facade she put on. In Chapter 10, it looked like she is enjoying every moment with Tiff.

Secondly, i am not convinced that Hunter forced his ways/teachings onto Drew. It wouldn't be suprising knowing what type of a person Hunter is. But, i think Drew is like Hunter. The "dio del sesso" genes are there. It just took a longer time to awaken them. Of course, when it happened Hunter was there to teach her.

While, i am at the Hunter and Drew topic. Did they part ways? I read it a few times in the thread. Well, i was under the impression that Hunter and Drew was doing business together, until David died. (It is possible i mixing things up and it is just Drew's business.) Then Hunter come to fulfill his dream to conquer Ophelia ... and the girls while he is at it. Eventually, he would succeed and Drew could enjoy them too. But, they didn't expect the MC and how he will be too much to handle alone. So, Hunter called Drew in for support.

All in all, Drew's part of the story i am most interested in at the moment.

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I think issue was Drew had zero interest in women and thus Hunter feared he was gay and thus unsuitable to fulfil the legacy until he met Keira of course... so what changed? We have little to go off of course but i would surmise rather than say love at first sight or any such likely for anyone else scenarios (given the tone of the game and the family all being such closet deviants) but more she represented a kink only awakened then - the taboo nature of Keira, she was the sister in law and someone david outright seemed to forbade him from going near. When and where David was seduced by Drew we dont know and i dont even think WWG stated it was before or after part transition (he could have still been full male at time for what we know) but if he WAS in affair with Drew even back then we have Keira being even more off limits.

I'm of the mind the more someone is off limits the more he gets off on idea of seducing them - this leans heavy on my idea Sterling again IMO is the end game to Drew. Naturally this theory would have other targets vs what we have seen so far aka the family vs the maid (though ill wager my house easily on Drew being an antagonist NTR rival regarding them just not straight away - Lucia gets off massively on taboo shenanagins as well, i think daddy DNA is in play there). As for the maid? why seduce her as she is hardly the most taboo target being neither relative nor even in a relationship? Well because Sterling was against it - Drew basically openly offered to get in on the action and Sterling came out with a threat. Largely though i felt that scene again leaned to my main theory (Drew wants Sterling) as i dont think it was specified if Drew wanted to say spitroast Teff or perhaps was more excited at seeing Sterling in action. I think Drew would sleep with most anyone as long as it was thrilling enough with riskier and more challenging the conquest the more you will see the desire to get what is desired.

As for Hunter/Drew. Not seen anywhere they parted ways - Hunter did say he "lost a son" him as i recall talking to Ophelia but that was likely more foreshadowing the transitioning of Drew than anything else and BOTH her driven away by David with literal fear of death and thats why both kept distance. It was his death that was the catalyst for all the main players to return - Sterling, Hunter and Drew alike... likely Keira and the mom too eventually in time but weve seen no indication that Drew and Hunter are at odds and if anything theyre prob a potent combo as Sterling focuses on Hunter as Drew overtly on outside offers minor threat vs master schemer Hunter the divided attention of Sterling will offer much more opportunities than before and from difference angles (simply put none of the girls see Drew as a threat).

FoolishFool0 said:

Honestly I watch the netorare scene because of the potential revelations about the story we might garner from them.

Also because some of them make use of extremely clever chekhov's guns. Like, in the Catherine Robot Bad Ending, Hunter very specifically lets her ride his face telling her he's gona let her do something to him he never let her do before, which leads to his neck snapping due to her powerful thighs, which has been foreshadowed for chapters before. At the same time, it's also revelaed how Hunter faked his death in europe and was seeemingly being hunted down by the Interpol, among other things, which allows you to piece the pieces together for the overhall plot too.

Not watching the NTR ending doesn't let you see this, but to each their own.

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There are also some other stuff in the game, some parts of dungeon and dragons make little no sense if you not enable the ntr since some lines were made specifically for the ntr version (like lucia quote: sorry my slow time is still charging), also another note is in the chap 8 where the mc is making quote about not liking a hospital bed in his room (connected to my previous screen).

The Netorare scenes are intense and crazy, my favorite one from chapters 1-10, has to be Ophelia and hunter bedroom scene, I loved how easy it was for him to easily manipulate her into a massage and then Catherine set the whole house on fire. Her response for doing it was hilarious. I wanna know what’s y’all favorite Netorare scene so far and who do y’all think will be the next victim for Chapter 11?

Yeah, honestly the best NTR scenes are the ones who go 0 to 100, not just simple "hunter r*pes one of the women and they are now slaves to him" shit, I want houses getting set on fire, I want international fugitives faking their deaths, I want bears devouring one of the characters, I want variety and most importantly I want weird, I want plot twists that lead to weird ass shit no one ever expected, that's always been this game strenght.